Secret Meaning of the Seventh Day Adventist Logos – Veritas News Service Exclusive

Veritas News Service Exclusive – 23Feb10

Contributed by Belly of Fire

The Secret Meaning of the Seventh Day Adventist Logos

When one tries to discover a “hidden” meaning of something, always check with the masters of magic (illusions) to see what they may have to say.  It is easy to take something at face value whether it is self interpretation or one that was provided by another.  It is very easy to simply trust someone based on certain beliefs.  For example, it must mean what they say because they are a Christian or a Pastor or an Elder and they wouldn’t lie or be involved with something contrary to the Christian faith.  Usually, only the minority at the top really know what is going on.

While that may be the case, many either don’t know, or just aren’t what you think they are.  I’ve come to discover this and it is shocking.  Just be careful who you trust.

What does this have to do with this logo and the 7th day adventist?

As I unfold the secret meaning behind the logo, you may not be able to believe what I share.  It may be so far beyond your ability to comprehend that you will reject anything that I have to say.

The masters of magic (illuminati) have dual meanings, an esoteric (hidden) and an exoteric (revealed).  The exoteric is for the dumb sheeple, the cattle, the worthless, the masses.  This is the category that they put you and I in.  The majority of people will be given the exoteric meaning while reserving the esoteric for themselves.

Here is the exoteric meaning of the seventh day adventist logo provided by them.  Remember exactly what they say, “It represents some of their main beliefs”.  You will see more into this later.


The Meaning of Our Logo and Name

The Seventh-day Adventist logo is not just a corporate symbol used on office stationery. It tells our faith story.

This logo is the first international logo used by all Seventh-day Adventist Churches throughout the world and is representative of some of our main beliefs.

The logo is made up of three main graphical elements and the name, “Seventh-day Adventist Church”. The three graphical elements are the flame, the cross and the Bible.

The Flame

This shape is formed by three lines encircling an implied sphere. The lines represent the three angels of Revelation 14 circling the globe and our commission to take the gospel to the entire world. The overall shape forms a flame symbolic of the Holy Spirit.

The lines at the top of the design suggest a continued upward momentum symbolising the resurrection of Christ and the promise that we will ascend to heaven at Christ’s second coming, the ultimate focus of our faith.

The Open Bible

The Bible forms the base of the design and represents the Biblical foundation of our beliefs. It is portrayed in a fully opened position suggesting a full acceptance of God’s word.

The Cross

The symbol of the cross, representing the gospel of salvation, is positioned in the centre of the design to emphasise Christ’s sacrifice, which is the central theme of our faith.

It is also significant that the Bible-representing the law, and the flame-representing the Spirit, come together at the cross.

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So what we see here from the SDA Australian website are different meanings.  For example, the 3 lines are the angels but also as a whole it is a flame.  There is an “implied” sphere which means it isn’t there but is there.  It is said that it is a “globe” that the 3 angels circle.  The main seventh day adventist website and many of the church websites say it is the earth.  If it is the earth, shouldn’t it look like it?  Maybe there is another meaning which is why it is an “implied” sphere (you can’t really see it so it can mean anything they say).

As I looked at the symbol, I wanted to know if there was anything that I wasn’t seeing.  That tends to be a key in determining many symbols.  Symbology is the language used today by the ancient religion of Mystery Babylon.  Just search the internet for it and you will see videos and pictures and websites discussing this topic.  This is the religion of the Secret Brotherhood as Bill Cooper called the initiates.

Initially, the obvious is the “Flame”.  The eternal flame is a very common mystery religion symbol.  It represents the intellect of man and his deification.  The Bible most likely represents the doctrine of this religion but I’m not sure on that one.  What about the Cross?  Think it’s only a Christian symbol?  Wait until you read on.

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As Bill Cooper said on his broadcast and you can read about it in great detail here: Initiates Of The Flame – Transcript – Broadcast #454


You see, in The Mysteries, they claim that they are baptized with the
Holy Spirit, which is fire, for fire is light and the Children of the
Flame are the Sons of Light even as God is light.

However, ladies and gentlemen, however much it sounds as if they believe
the same as you, this again is a metaphor for the esoteric truth of what
they really believe.

For they believe that the God of the Bible is an evil God who held man
prisoner in the Garden of Eden in the bonds of the chains of ignorance;
and that man was set free, given his opportunity, by Lucifer through his
agent, Satan, with the gift of intellect; and that Lucifer is the God of
Light, not Jesus Christ who said:

“I am the way, the truth, and the light:….” (sic: verse reads “life”)
[John 14:6a]

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He also says,


There is but one religion in all the world known to all the priests of
all the religions no matter what they are, and that is the worship of
the spiritual flame of the universe.

Under many names, he is known in all lands, but as Ishwari or Amon or
God or Lucifer.  He is the same, the creator of the universe, and
is his universal symbol.

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Lastly, this brings us right into the logo. Bill continues to discuss the eternal flame but speaks of the sun.


The fire that burns on the sacred altar of Cosmos, that great fire which
is called “the never-dying spirit of god, the Sun”.

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As I mentally dissected the logo, this is what I saw which was very revealing.

Since I know there is a sphere, I filled it in.  I then stretched out the “flame”, the “trails of the 3 angels”, and magically a very familiar symbol appeared.  This symbol is called by some, the winged disc.  Many corporate symbols use it such as Chrysler, Mini Cooper, US Airforce, etc.  This symbol was also used in a cartoon.  It was the backing for She-Ra (female Ra (Egyptian sun god)) on the Heman and Shera cartoon.  This symbol also represents Horus which in one of his forms is another Egyptian sun god.

This is what wikipedia says about the winged disk:


The winged sun is a symbol (sometimes known as Behedeti, a name of Horus[citation needed]) associated with divinity, royalty and power in the Ancient Near East (Egypt, Mesopotamia, Anatolia, and Persia). The symbol has also been found in the records of ancient cultures residing in various regions of South America as well as Australia.
In Ancient Egypt, the symbol is attested from the Old Kingdom (Sneferu, 26th century BC), often flanked on either side with a uraeus. In early Egyptian religion, the symbol Behedeti represented Horus of Edfu, later identified with Ra-Harachte. It is sometimes depicted on the neck of Apis, the bull of Ptah. As time passed (according to interpretation) all of the subordinated gods of Egypt were considered to be aspects of the sun god, including e.g. Khepri.
The winged sun is symbolic also of the eternal soul. When placed above the temple doors it served as a reminder to the people of their eternal nature.

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You should be asking yourself, ‘what does a Christian ministry have to do with some ancient Egyptian Sun worship?’  That’s a great question and the beginning of a journey.

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Now, you might think this is just a coincidence.  Somehow the seventh day adventist logo happens to be a sun worship symbol.  Let’s continue then.

Sun and the Cross

The cross and the sun together are another symbol.  I bet you would never of guessed that because the cross is only a Christian symbol…. or so Christians believe.

From this page about the sun and the cross http://moneyteachers.org/auto-logos.htm

It is also important to understand that the Southern cross itself represents the Egyptian Ankh

“Also known as the Egyptian Cross, the Key of the Nile, the Looped Tau Cross, and the Ansate Cross. It was an Ancient Egyptian symbol of life and fertility


So, in essence, the Southern Cross (ankh) represents the point where the sun god dies and is regenerated through the power of Sirius or “Sex Magick”. The three kings are representative of mankind’s search for wisdom through the power of Lucifer (the angel of light). Now, let’s look at some of the logos used in the auto industry:

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The Southern cross isnt exactly like the cross used by Christians.  It has a reversed tear shape on the top.  The 7th day adventist logo has the sun on top of it.

If you think it is still a coincidence, then look around at different 7th day adventist churches and organizations.  You will see a lot of sun worship symbols that are used by the Luciferians.

Look at this symbol used by the Seventh Day Adventist hospital – a path that leads to the sun.  It can also be looked as an ‘S’ that commonly represents the snake from the mystery religion.

Let’s go back to the beginning.  Take a look at Ellen G White’s (founder) tombstone.  This tomb stone is an obelisk, a mystery bablyon religion symbol.  It is the penis of Osirus (this is explained in the series, get it).  Is this a Christian symbol?  You can’t turn this one into something it’s not and that is for sure.  If the 7th day adventists founder was part of the mystery Babylon religion, then what does that make the rest of it?

Just to show you that this symbol is not only used by other churches, it also is the focal point of their worship without them knowing.  They all face it and look at it during worship at church.  It also tends to be on the outside of the building.

I will leave you with one last picture. This comes from one of the local SDA churches which have a large brown obelisk on the front of their building. Pictured below is the name and the picture from their newsletter magazine. They say the star is Jesus, however it is obviously the sun represented by a pentagram.  This leads on to ask;  Who is the Rising Star? Why is there an upside down cross which is another symbol?

Now its your turn to do the research, verify what I have said to come to your own conclusion.


  1. Just remember people, Good Works are the FRUIT of salavtion. meaning you want to do Good when you are saved by Jesus. And Good Works are not the ROOT of salavtion..Meaning we are not saved partially until the investigative judgemnt like adventist teach.

    Out of your talking, Let the bible talk now:

    Galatians 2:21- I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing

    Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the FULLFILLMENT of the law.

    Galatians 2:16 know that a person is NOT JUSTIFIED works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

    0 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment GREATER THAN THESE.

    Galatians 3:10 – For all WHO RELY on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.

    Hebews 8 -6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

    And what was the Old covenant????????? Hebrews is saying that the new covenant is far superior than the old covenant. Is he saying this is the ceremonial laws, or moral laws. No he is talking about the 10 commandments, and here is proof:


    Deuteronomy 4:13: “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone

    Exodus 34:27-28: “Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.”


    SO inconclusion. THe church that keeps not gods Law, but the 10 commandments (the old covenant) – Are binding themselves bondage and have missed the point of Jesus fullfilling the Law. Have missed the point of the New covenant, and love fullfilling the law. Have also have a mindset of Law keeping will save you as you are partially saved by grace and partially saved by law keeping until the Investigative judgement.

    VendaSabath. I keep the commandments of God. The only difference is that I have a new covenant, Something Far superior than the 10 commandments Hebrews 8:13/ If I follow the 10 commandments, and still hate my brother..what will I profit? the 10 commandments do not address the Heart issue, it is only the physical act. The 10 commandments were a covenant to Israel, Jesus is our New covenant. Jesus Law of Love fullfills the 10 commandments. Love your neighbour as yourself and Love your Lord with all your heart, these two laws hang on all the law and the prophets. And Paul stats Love fullfills the Law in Romans. I chose to keep the commandments of God, no Doubt. The Law of Loving you as a brother, the law of loving one another. Just as jesus says, “a new commandment is Given, that ye love on another”.

    And no answer your questions VendaSabath, If you read what I said earlier. I do not condemn sabath Keeping. ANd let us not dispute our differences. Loving Jesus and having him in our lives, and knowing that our Law keeping or good works cant save us and putting our trust in him for our salvation. Romans 14:5. and colossions 2:14 – I do not condemn Sabath keeping. If you feel convicted to keep sabath then thats good. The problem is when adventist say we are going to hell, or have the mark of the beast.

    • daniel524, I have a question for you (I’m SDA btw).

      Why do you suppose that many Christians agree with and uphold 9 of the 10 commandments, but take serious issue with #4?

  2. Daniel1524, I understand what you are saying. I also want you to read Hebrews 8:10; “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.” I agree that the old covenant was for the Israelites, and they agree to keep God’s covenant. A new covenant Jesus gave to the people of Israel, not only them, but to all his children on this earth. Jesus’ death on the cross has shed his blood for all of us, his BLOOD made the difference. We got a new covenant.
    Concerning the mark of the beast. To identify the mark, we must first identify the “beast”. In prophecy, we understand the beast in Daniel 7:23 and Jeremiah 50:17, 43, 44 represent the kingdoms, governments, or earthly ruling organizations, not individuals. Also Revelation 13:1,-8, 18. In Revelation 13:16 the beast’s mark place on people is on their hand and their foreheads. Please the beast is not literal. Remember, we are dealing with symbols. The forehead represents the mind with which we serve God, Romans 7:25, and the hand is a symbol of work, Ecclesiasters 9:10. Those who accept Sunday observance willingly are marked in their foreheads. Those who agree to work Sabbath to avoid boycott or death are marked in their hands. Please Daniel1524, read Revelatin chapter 13, and please do your study and research. Those who knowingly profane God’s holy day (the Sabbath) now , will lose the ability to think and see clearly and will end up in darkness, John 12:35. Please study! I want you to be a part in God’s kingdom. Don’t get upset with us because we are obedient to God and we have accepted his new and old testiments truth. We need the holy spirit in our lives daily to guide us to truth. We know that there are many false prophets, but I know that studying and obeying God’s word, I cannot go wrong. We Adventist have the truth. If we are wrong reading and studying the bible from Genesis to Revelation, then God is also wrong. We are doing what He has ask us to do…Thank you Daniel1524 for you comment and explanation. I dont believe in everything you say, but I am praying for you to come to a knowledge of the truth. Peace and love.

  3. Many people who read the bible say that they have the truth, but still don’t understand about the coming of Christ. They are saying there will be a rapture. I don’t read anywhere in the bible where Jesus’ coming will be a rapture. In Revelation 1:7 “Behold, He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him.” Matthew 24:27; For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” These texts did not tell me that there will be a rapture, we wouldn’t know when the people are taken up.
    Acts 1:11 says, “Ye men of Galille, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye hav eseen Him go into heaven.” This sounds to me that every eye shall see Jesus when He comes back to take his faithful childre home with him. Also 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17; “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Some of us need to come out from Babylon, the denominations that do not teach the truth. It is not God’s will that we should be lost. Some of us are to stubborn and hardheaded. We need to let God take control of our lives and open our hearts and minds to receive him with obedience. Because we do not know the day and the hour of Jesus’ coming in Matthew 24:36; “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” We should be ready and not getting ready. 2 Timothy 4:3, 4. “For the time will come when they will not endure SOUND DOCTRINE; but…shall turn away their ears from the TRUTH, and shall be turned unto fables.
    2 Timothy 3:1-5, 13; This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to partents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affections, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. PEOPLE let us worshp and praise the Lord, He is worthy to be praised. We were created to serve, worship and praise God. Let us not deny Him and follow his laws and we will be blessed and we shall behold His glory. Love to all!!!

  4. To the author of this piece,

    What are you proving about the Adventist faith? Are you challenging their faith or are you challenging their logo? Because what I do know is that when Adventists have church whatever is spoken is what is written in the bible.

    What exactly is the point of dissecting the logo?

    • Curious, I don’t know what you are talking about. You reply to the wrong comment, I’ve not commented on the Adventist Logo. I forgive you. I have no problem with the logo, it is not an issue for me.
      Some people are so inteligent and so religious, everything they criticize, they cannot agree with anything.
      Curious, don’t wast God’s precious time to argue or comment on the logo issue. If anyone has a problem with the logo, they themselves are the problem.

      Have a bless day!

        • Belly Of Fire…why you cannot comment to what I’ve said…why are you laughting and soooooo sad about?… I would like to hear from you. Talk to me BELLY OF FIRE. Speak your mind!!! Remind me of what I’ve said…Refresh my memory.

          TALK TO ME BELLY!

  5. Daniel1524 is commenting on everybody’s comment, and he claims that he knows the truth about God and his commandments, yet for all he is not keeping the 10 commentments. What’s about the text that said, if you break one of the commentments you are guilty of all. We are to keep all the commandments, God said 10 not 9, 8, 7, or 6, God said to keep 10. In Exodius 20:8; God said REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY to keep it holy. God knows that mankind would forget his Sabbath, so he remind us to REMEMBER. People take God as a joke, they want to tell Him what is best for them to do. Simply, if you do not do what God ask us to do, you are disobedient, if we are not obedient to God’s word, how are we going to enter heaven. Remember, that’s is the reason why Satan, the devil, were cast out from heaven, he wants to be in charge, in control, God said no, no, that cannot happen, so God cast him down from heaven he and his angels. That is why God said that sin would not raise up a second time. Obedience is the key to eternal salvation. Jesus is coming soon, are you ready?

  6. I thought this was the space for public comments.

    I am commenting on the following article:

    “Veritas News Service Exclusive – 23Feb10

    Contributed by Belly of Fire

    The Secret Meaning of the Seventh Day Adventist Logos”

    I think after all is said and done, people need to realise we will not be saved as denominations but as individuals. Therefore it is safer to know the scriptures for yourself and to know that the God of the Oldtestament is the same as the God of the new testament. The books ofthe bible were separated by man into the old and new testament noy by God.
    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God etc.

    • Curious, Curious, if by now we dont know that we are not saved by denominations, well we did not do our research and studies. The bible also states, do not forsake the assemble of yourself together. In Genesis 35: God told Jacob to go up to Bethel and make an alter unto God. Jesus himself teach and preach in the temple; what is a temple and in the synagogue. So CURIOUS, where every there is worship is a building with people. So when you talk about denominations, we worship God in the building. You are correct, we worship one God, but some of us dont always preach the truth, which is the bible truth. Some of us still struggling with the word of God. I ask myself the the questions, if we believe in God, and we claim to worship and serve the same God, why is there so many demoninations, and we all read the same bible, I hope, and we all give different meaning to God’s word. God knows best when he said there shall be false prophets. We could have many denominations and be preaching and teaching the same word with truth. Adventist is a denomination, but we preach truth and people don’t like us because of that. There are many denominations that preach the truth, but not all the truth, because they have problem with the 7th day Sabbath, the covenant, the secret rapture, they don’t believe that God is Jesus,and many more. God the father, the son, Jesus and the Holy Spirit they are three in one. The bible explains it. The trinity, they all are one. In Matthew 28:19; “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost.” Many don’t believe in baptisim emersion, some still baptize with pouring water and verbal baptize. So we see many denominations are going against God’s word. If people have a problem with the way Adventist teach and preach the truth, take up the problem with God, not with us, we are a believing people, we ask God to guide and intrepret for us. People also have problems with us preaching and teaching about the mark of the beast, and the Daniel and Revelation. People, get on board the Adventist train where the truth will always be preached and teach. We are proud and happy people. As I said before, we are not perfect, some of us fall and we got up, and some are still down and we are praying for them. We are saved by grace, not of works that we should boast. Salvation is from God, I am sure that everyone agrees with me. Brothers and sisters, let us study because Jesus is coming soon.

  7. Why are people so judgemental and critizie others with out takeing the time to do research and activly seek the truth insted of being ignorant the bible gides you but you also have to do your part and not be decived have you ever taken the time to educate your selfs about this world insted of being a just going along with every thing people say and expecting them to be right the bible warns us of these day but if you dont look you dont see cus Thr devil will be in the churchs literaly his people are there to decive you Hopefuly god opens your eyes and minds if you think its impossable for the devil to be in the government and run all these hartless companies you must realy be underestimating what angles are capable of even if he is fallenif he tred to tempt jesus with the world dosent it make you wonder how many men he has aproched and offerd them the same deal and that means he appeard in in person not just some temptation the people teach saying things like his just a jiynx well he is here and at work

    • God Help us, what are you saying? People will always listen to people and also ready and study for themselves. God sent Moses to talk to the children of Isreal and to deliver the children form Egypt, Moses had to talk to them, he is a messenger sent from God, they had to believe in what he was saying to them by faith in God. All the ministers who are preaching to the people, I hope they are ministers sent from God, and if they are not sent by God to preach the truth, God will reveal the false ministers or prophets to us, we just have to trust God and ask him to let you find truth. People have to listen to people, but they have to study for themselves to know if they were taught truth or error. So GOD HELP US, when you are saying that people are ignorant, you were also ignorant before you got the truth reveal to you. No doubt that some people are ignorant and will be ignorant because they want to be ignorant, because they have no open mind to learn and know truth. We know that we will be set free from ignorant if we only know the truth about the word of God. We are bondage to sin, so let us all be wise and ask God for wisdom so we could make intelligent wise decision for salvation. We are going to know only if someone tells us or if we read for ourselves. We dont always understand, so we need someone to explain things to us and then get the proof from the word of God. So GOD HELP US, you are so wise that you are doing all the good things and some of us are doing all the wrong things. God be us you and may he help you to GOD HELP US. With all that said, I will advise you to study and deny yourself of your own philosophy. If you are a bible schoolar, God bless you. Peace!!!!!!!!

  8. @Belly of Fire,

    I am trying to understand your reasoning behind the article.

    Are you warning SDAs against following blindly or are you againstthe basis of the Adventist faith?

    I am just trying to understand your perspective.

  9. Yes but what am talking about is the way some people juat read it and think its just.that.a book only for reading and stories .and yes I do understand I was ingnorant to and still am to some thing I was catholic befor and am not judgeing any body if I was I wouldnt have said ignorant but If I offended you in any way I am sorry am just stateing y opinion and No am not a scholer and am still learning alot more in my path I just hope am good enough to learn and be a better person befor its too late and thanks for your comment :-)

    • God help us, I am very sorry if I offended you or hurt your feelings. You sound sincere and I know you are. I am happy that you express that you are ignorant to some degree. Thanks for admitting that! I know that God will help you understand his word and that one day you will be with Jesus when He comes. Don’t give up! God help those who are willing to listen and need help. God hel us, I love you in the name of Jesus. Peace brother.. Have a bless and happy night.

  10. We enter god’s rest by believing in Christ Jesus, and cease working from our salvation by trying to keep the Law. The confusion lies now, that Law keeping is kept because you want to do God’s Will. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Why are we concerned with Sabath Day, when Jesus tells you he offers you rest for your Soul? Why are you concerned with Sabath, When it was given to Israel as a perpetual covenant? Why are you concerned with Sabath, when Jesus Fullfilled God’s Law. Why are you concerned with the 10commandments, when Jesus offers a superior covenant. The Law says Murder and Adultery. Jesus Now says, Even if you “Lust” or even if you “hate” you have now committed murder or adultery. Why are you concerned with Sabath Day, when we have an everlasting peace with Jesus. Isralites did not have Jesus, We do. Sabath, The Law of God was a shadow of the good things to come and point To Jesus. You know the verses, you know the scripture. But why do you turn the other way to the word of god and keep yourself in Bondage to the Law. Jesus is Life, and Jesus is Love and can offer you a peace. You may have Jesus, I do not know. And sabath keeping may convict you in your heart. But who are you to judge and point the finger and say “your doing it wrong” when we have no scripture by The word of god in the new testament to tell us to obey sabath, we only have scriptural proof in new testament to tell others not to judge others in Diet or Sabath keeping. You may believe you are the truth, and I am the deceived. And of course you believe the catholic church is to blame in all this. I know exactly how Adventist think, Ive been to over 5adventist churches. Let jesus tell you, Ellen G white is deceiving you and bringing your life into darkness and bondage. Jesus will break you free from the manipulative scripture she has brought to the church.

    Jesus always tells us the Most two important commandments are to Love him with all your heart, and to love your neighbour. Jesus and paul tells us both that Love fullfills the Law, and that these two greatest commandments fullfill the law and hang on all the laws and the prophets. Love does no harm to its neighbour. God Is Love. Love is good.

    The Sabath Day, as given to israel was a prepetual covenant given to israel as it was God’s sign to the children of israel throughout their generations that he brought them out of egypt. Wether you want to argue this commandment still applies in the new covenant or not, I would like to know where. Because Hebrews 4, Colossions 2:16 and Romans 14:5 not only are the only verses in the new testament that even mention the sabath, but tell us to not judge others accordingly and Hebrews 4 tells us we enter Rest by Faith. It also tells us the Isralites (who already had the sabath day commandment) Failed to enter God’s Rest.

    • Daniel1524, you want to talk about the law, let us talk about it. You are making a fool of yourself. You did not inspired the bible, God did, and he is telling his children to to read and understand his word and you are making God’s law, 10 commandments, and Sabbath a BIG issue.
      Daniel1524 Romans 7:12, 14,”Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good. (14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.” Psalm 19:7, The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple; If God’s law is perfect, why are we having problem in keeping his laws and condeming them? Ecclesiastes 12:13; Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. This text to me dont mean that the commandment is only for the Isrealites. If the law is done away with, why is it that we are going to be judged by the law. James 2:12; So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty; 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin TRANSGRESSETH also the law: for sin is th transgression of the law; Matthew 15:3, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 1 John 2:4, He that said, I know Him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Danie1524, I observe you to be a liar when you say that you love God, because you have a hard time believing and keeping God’s commandments, and the commandments are not only the 10 commandments, there are other commandments in God holy word.
      Gods commandments stand forever. We are to keep all God’s commandments. Daniel1524 ask God to give you a obedient heart. If the old covenant is done away with, why did God give a new covenant which is give by Jesus because He came and die on the cross for the remission of our sin. Jesus gave us the moral law.

    • Continue #16 – Daniel1524 We have the moral law of Jesus and the ceremonial law that was given to us by God to Moses.

      Moral law is call the royal law James 2:8,The Ceremonial Law, is call the law…contained in ordinances. Eph 2:15; Deut. 4:12, 13. Tthe moral law was spoken by God. Lev. 1:1-3, the ceremonial law was spoken by Moses; the moral law was written by God on tables of stone Ex. 24:12; Col. 2:14, the ceremonial law was “the handwriting of ordinances.” Ex. 31:18, The moral law was written with the finger of God on stone. 2 Chron. 35:12, the ceremonial law was written by Moses in a book; Ex. 40:20; 1 Kings 8:9, Heb. 9:4, the moral law was placed in the ark.
      Deut. 31:24-26, the ceremonial law was placed in the side of the ark., it was not destroyed or thrown away. Ps. 19:7 the moral law is perfect. Heb 7:19, the ceremonial law made nothing perfect. Ps. 111:7, 8 the moral law is to stand fast for ever and ever. Col. 2;14, the ceremonial law was nailed to the cross. Matthew 5:17, the moral law was not destroyed by Christ. Eph. 2:15, the ceremonial law was abolished by Christ. Isa 42:21 the moral law was to be magnified by Christ. Col. 2:14 the ceremonial law was taken out of the way by Christ. Roman s 3:20; 7:7 the moral law gives knowledge of sin. Leviticus 3-7 the ceremonial law was instituted in consequence of sin. SOOOOOO Daniel1524 read and study your bible thoroughly and please, please do not put in your own opinion about what God intend to to. Again let the holy spirit take control of your mind and please get out from Babylon, God is the head of our lives and our minds.
      I would not even wast time to comment to you on the Sabbath, you are abviously stuck on the Sunday, the day that man has chosen to worship. Why worship a day that is not mention in the bible, if the bible is our guide and it instruct us what to do. Because millions of people worship on Sunday does not make that day the true day of worship. Again abviously, Danaiel1524 you are not doing your research and you are not studying. SHAME ON YOU DANIEL1524. You do not have nothing much to say to me and many others who are obedient to God’s word, you are being cheated of the truth because you are to intelligent for yourself. Inteligent would not take you too far, only in HELL, if you please. With all that said, I hope by God’s grace you will be saved in his kingdom…until then, I hope to see you in that new earth made new. I love you my brother…peace!!!!!!!

      • Hey Bro. I still love you. I just disagree entirely on what the bible teaches to your view. But hey, Its all good brother. I understand this is what you believe, I just could find in any of those you gave me any wording of “ceremonial” or “moral”. In fact the verse, you gave about about the ceremonial law Deut.4:12.13 is talking about the 10commandments. But hey its all good. My point i was making is lets not devide our fellowship in Christ in Regards to what we eat, Drink or the day we worship. I would like to fellowship with you and serve Jesus Together. Even though you believe Im sinning because I do not keep the sabath, I believe in my heart truly that i am not. So please dont devide from me. I know you chose to keep the sabath, and if you feel convicted then good on you bro. But just please dont tell me I Do NOT Love god, because I dont keep the sabath. When I have a relationship with Jesus, and he lives in me. You might find it hard to believe, BUt billions of christians know the Lord without keeping the sabath. Millions of christians do Not keep sunday because thats the day that was changed by the pope. The Day is not nesessary to a christian. Like i said, I go to church on Friday. Sometimes a wednesday night. It doesnt matter to me, But my Rest is in Christ for me. Regardless I always thought the Sabath commandment was to do with Rest and it says in the bible. “6 days you shall labour and the seventh day you shall rest”. I didnt know that had anything to do with Worship nor the day you go to church. Anyway Please dont judge them and myself because we dont feel convicted so. The Lord will judge us accordingly, you do not have to. You may feel we are doing it wrong because of the 10commandments, and we are only following “9”. But thats not what we are doing, we are simply obeyign the New testament covenant where we do not see any scripture that tells us to keep the sabath by Paul or by Jesus. PLease dont try to convice me, pray that the holy spirit will guide us BOTH in truth. But i pray you also will pray for the Holy spirit to guide you in all matters of truth. Sabath or Not, I love My lord god. I love my neighbour, and as james states James 2:8″if you love your neihbour, you are doing well”.

  11. VendaSabath. I am not offended by what you say, as you may not know any better. However, You are a perfect example of a true seventh day adventist, Who judges other people’s relationship with God because they chose not to keep “the Law”.

    The Seventh day adventist church is founded upon a false prophet. Ellen G white. Similar to the Mormon Joseph Smith in Mormonism. All your teachings about Sabath in the New testament, Moral and Ceremonial law is all from her writings. It is not Biblical. The investigative Judgement is not Biblical. The sabath is the Seal of God is not Biblical. The Adventists like yourself, will tell me that all this is IN THE BIBLE..And yet, Ellen G writings contradict the Bible. You should look up all her contradictions she has made with the bible.

    You have also failed again to answer my questions, but have answered around by your belief. Hebrews 8 tells us quite clearer the Old covenant (the 10 commandments) have been obsolete. Hebrews 4, tells us we enter god’s Rest when we believe.

    You have said ” I observe you to be a liar when you say that you love God, because you have a hard time believing and keeping God’s commandments, ”

    I love the lord with all my heart and all my sould, and yes I love you my neighbour. It tells me that these two laws are the most greatest, and yet I do not love the lord you tell me because i Do not keep the sabath. hmm quite a contradiction i think.

    And because I chose not to keep the Sabath Day, Yo u tell me that I do not love God. I am simply doing what the bible tells me. You are simply judging like it says in Romans 14:5 and colossions 2:14. The more I hear from you, is the more I am more deceived and fear for the adventist people.

    No scripture I have shown you with clear evidence. Yes the Lord said Remember the Sabath day, In the Old covenant. The Lord also said we should be cirmucised but we dont do that anymore either. Why?, because its not in the 10C. Again, the 10C are a covenant. And Jesus has fullfilled the Law. The 10c are the old covenant, because the bible in Hebrews says this in crystal clear Greek, and English. But you cant believe it, because its against the Remnant belief and ellen g whites writings.

  12. Jesus did not want to hear your excuses. He told the man to “Rise, take your bed and walk.” Now He could have said “Rise and walk” but why pick up the bed? The bed is a symbol of rest, which means the man was empowered to walk by resting in the Lord. We are to walk from our continual rest in what Jesus has done for us and what He has commanded over our lives. Instead of carrying the cross by ourselves with our will power, we are to carry our bed and rest in His work for us on the cross. From this rest will come a powerful walk in the Spirit.

    John 5:8 – Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.”

    AFter beting accussed of Breaking the Sabath – His reply was ”

    “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.”

    So jesus said ” i am working on the sabath?” Thats what it says. But I thought he only broke the tradition of the pharisees? Yet he says he is working.

    • Daniel1524 you are a typical example of a false prohpet. With such people turn a way. I am not going to waste God’s precious time to talk to you about anything, because your are your own interpretation. You reject God’s teaching, you intreprete the word of God to your liking, so therefore, you are just a wall, nothing going through. God knows that his children are going to be stubborn that is why he said, my people will perish because of lack of knowledge. Lord help these people. Daniel1524, you are a workload. You close your heart to God’s teach, but one day, my brother, one day God will do His work on you. Nothing is too hard for my God to do. It is just a little while and you will wake up from your sleep. I am sorry for you. Why many people is talking about E.G. White, she is one of God’s prophetess, and all what she talks about are written in the bible and she gaves texts to back up what she is saying. Read the history of E.G. White and you will come to a knowledge of what she is saying is truth. The bible said that in the last days there shall be false prophets, those who are against E.G.White writings, are more false than E.G. White. Daniel1524, you condem and go against everything Adventist does. Do you have anything good to say about God’s people? I know that God has plenty good to say about us, his Adventist children. Thank God that he is God, he does not condem us, but he collect us whenever we go wrong. God have ways in dealing with his people. You say you love and your neighbors, how could you love us when you have a hard time believing God’s word, and the word is God. I believe you are a LIAR and the truth is not in you. John 1:1, 2 “In the beginning was the word and the word was with god, and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. Stop saying that you love, there are no love in you. Obedience is very important, and you are not obedient to God. You condem any and everybody.

  13. Cont’d #20
    Daniel 1524 – John 8:42- 47 “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. (43) Why do you not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (45) And because I tell you the trugh, ye believe me not. (46) Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you not believe me? (47) He that is of God heareth God’s words; ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Daaniel1524, what in the bible you believe in? I am suprise that the you don’t believe in the old testiment but you believe a few texts in the old. If you do not believe the old testiment, then you do not also believe in the old, because the old and new testiments go hand in hand. Daniel1524, Lord have mercy on you. I thank God for his grace and mercies on his children. Thank God that he does not think as man. What a might and powerful God we serve. Some of us act as Sodom an Gomorrah, and very very soon the walls of Jericho will come down, the wll that is blocking us from receiving truth and seeing the truth. Daniel1524. I am praying for you so that God will give you eye salve so we can see the truth. I believe that your eyes has glucome and you mind has mole so you have to ask God to remove those two disease that is causing to deny his works. Please look at Pastor Kenneth Cox and your eyes will be open by what he preaches and teaches. If you don’t understand this pastor, then you need a complete work from God…Peace brother Daniel1524.

  14. Peace to you vendasabath.

    Without upsetting you, or offending your belief. I would like to keep this as a discussion, rather than attacking each other. Here some clear verses on why I do not follow the 10commandments:

    Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. (To me brother, its clear the 10 commandments are the old covenant – “Exodus 34:28 And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments” ) –

    Hebrews 7 – For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. –

    Galatians 5:18 – But if ye be led of the Spirit, YE ARE NOT UNDER LAW (to me this means if we are lead by the Holy spirit, we are not subjected to the law, but are lead by god’s holy spirit to do what is right or wrong”)

    Galatians 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be JUSTIFIED BY FAITH in Christ and not by observing the law, because by OBSERVING THE LAW NO ONE WILL BE JUSFTIED. (sorry about the capitals, but I believe this should be clear, again please do not be offended as I have not changed any texts in the word of God)

    Galatians 3:24, 25
    So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law (This is pretty clear to me)

    Galatians:5:14 – For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. –

    Romans 5:13 – Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. – (To me love is fullfilling the Law, As Love does no hard to its neighbour – as jesus also states in the verse below:)

    Matthew 22:40 – love your Neighbour and Love your Lord with all your Heart) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such THERE IS NO LAW –

    I also find it interesting in “Mt 19:16-19 “And behold, one came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” He *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (i find it interesting Jesus didnt mention sabath in this commandment)

    • Daniel1524, Good morning! I am commenting on the last paragraph. When Jesus said “there is only one who is good” do you really think that Jesus is saying that no one is good. He is saying that we are good, but in his eyes we are not what he expect us to be. That is why we have to die daily. Those who are righetous will enter God’s kingdom. Would you believe that God will have unrightous people in his kingdom. He said that sin would not reign a second time when he comes to take his children home, because heaven is not a place for sin to dwell. He will come to get ride of sin and sinners. So when he said that there is none good, you are taking that out of context, make it an agruement. My brother, I know that one day that God will come and put an end to all bad things. It will be very said that many of us will hear these words, depart from me ye curse into everlasting fire.
      Daniel1524 I can see that you have a problem with the commandments. Brother the Adventists are the commandment believeing church, and if we are wrong for keeping what is in the bible, then let it be, God is our judge. God also said if we break one of the commandments we are guilty of all. Tell me where I am going wrong. If you have a problem with us keeping the Sabbath, then keep the day you choose to keep,
      so let us close off the Sabbath discussion because we are not getting anywhere. Daniel1524, you cannot point out one particular text and talk against people’s beliefs. You fail to realize that the law points out our sins. If there is no law there is no sin, if there is no sin, then Jesus didn’t had to died because he died for our sins. If there is no sin, there is not a Savior, if there is not a Savior, there is no gospel, if her is no gospel, there is no church, if there is no church, there is no ministers (pastor). God said go into all the world and preach the gospel to every nation, town and people, baptizing them in the name of the father son and holy ghost. So the question is, why we need to baptize if there is no law and sin. In this world there must be laws, the civil laws and the moral laws. Could you imagine living in this world where there is no laws. If there is no law a man should just come and take your wife, if you please, and a woman should come and just take my husband, because there is no law to stop that. No law, so just drive through the “STOP SIGN,” go to the store and take grocries, clothes and dont pay for them because there is no law. God is a God of order, He would not create us and have no laws for us to follow. All the laws are in the bible, the 10 commandment are taken from the bible, and now they are civil laws of the land. Anybody could kill, steal, commit adultery, etc. and you are telling there is no law to stop such evil act. You states that in Galations 5:22 there is no law. Daniel1524 you need to study the bible again, you are missing the point. One text cannot give you the answer you are looing for. I notice that you are looking for the text that are negative, and that is your answer to some of the questions. Such as …….against such there is no law. I taught you were wiser than that. If you are so wise, why are you not understanding the texts? Why you are not using your wisdom in the right way. What a WASTE!!!! Stay as you are, time will tell. Have a bless day in Jesus.

  15. I believe Jesus’s commandments are far superior and far greater than the 10commandments. 1. Love your Lord with all your heart. 2 Love your neihbour. 3. “a new commandment that I have given, that ye Love on another”. 4. “that if anyone looks at a women lustfully, he has committed adultery in his heart. If The 10 commandments are quite simply “The moral Law” (even though the bible mentions more than 4 times, they are the Words of the Covenant). Then It is missing way to much. First of all, the 10commandments do not address the heart issue. There is no Hatred, like Jesus says, It doesnt talk about Lusting in your heart. It only mentions the physical act with your neighbours wife. It doesnt meantion forgiveness, It doesnt mention Homosexuality, It doesnt mention Loving your Neighbour, It doesnt mention the Fruits of the Spirit (love joy gentleness), It has some good valid moral pricinples absolutely, but as Hebrews says and galatians, The law was merely a shadow to expose sin, however once we have a Jesus. We fall under his new covenant. And as Hebrews 7:12 – Hebrews 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there becomes a change in Law.

  16. Daniell1524 You believe in what you want to believe in, but the 10 commandments will stand forever. God sent Jesus to die to take away our sins by dying on the cross. The 10 commandments points out my sins, if I am going to steal, commit adultry, lust after a woman, by remembering the commandments of God and Jesus, my heart is touched, and because I am touched by the worng I am going to do has cause me to stop me or casue me to not do the sinful act. In Exodus, chapters 25-40 taks about the santuary and the court yard. The sanctuary consisted of three main parts: the Courtyard, Exodus 27:9-13; the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place, Exodus 26:33. In the Most Holy Place, is the ark of the convenant, which is the 10 commandments; in the Holy Place, the Altar of Incense, the 7 Candlestick and the Table of Shewbread. In the Courtyard we see that the Laver and the Alter of Burnt Offerings. If Christ tells us that He did not come to destroy the law, I want to know where Daniel524 think about Matthew 5:17; Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. The commandments will stand for ever, Christ came to fulfil them. According to John Wesley, “Upon Our Lord’s Sermon on the Mount,” Discourse 5, in Works, vol. 5 (1829 ed), pp. 311, 312, “The moral law, contained in the Ten Commandments, andenforced by the Prophets, he did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any pare of this…Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God, and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other.” In John 15:10, states I have kept My Fathr’s commandments, and abide in His love.” If I break the law I committeth sin, so 1 John 3:4, states “Whosover committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin isthe transgression of the law.” The old covenant, which is the commandment still stands. Romans 3:19 “Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Could the law have been abolished, and sin been disposed of in this way, Christ need not have come and died for our sins. The gift of Christ, therefore, more than all else, proves the immutability of the law of God. Christ must come and die, and satisfy the claims of the law, or the world must perish. The law could not give way. The fact that the law is to be the standard in the judgment is another proof of its enduring nature. Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14.

  17. Cont’d 1 John 5:2,3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep His commandments. (3) For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. God is not superior and greater than Jesus, and Jesus is not superior and greater than
    God, they are all equal in superiority. God dont think like man, we are not better then each other. God treated us equally. When Jesus comes, he would not say here is the patience of the saints that keep the new covenant or 10 commandments, he will say in Revelation 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” In Romans 2:15, In the creation He wrote it in men’s hearts, and hence it is called the law of nature.” Daniel524 when Matthew 5:19 says “Whosoever there shall break one of these least COMMANDMENTS,

  18. Cont’d #28- and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
    Daniel524, with all this said, I have no intentions on commenting, discussion and giving views on the Sabbath, and the commandments any more. You are wasting my time. No matter what texts I quote or explain, you not getting it. You stuck to your own opinion and understanding of what you think is right. I was hoping to give you some insignt, but abviously you have no intentions in learning. May God help you in your spiritual walk with The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
    I know for sure that you don’t believe in God, and If I am right, I am sorry for you. Jesus said I am My Father are one, therefore, you cannot believe in Jesus and not God, because God is the creator of everything. Jesus was in the spirit when God created the world, and Jesus come in the flesh when everthing was created. He came to set an example for us that even if he was sinless, He died for us so that we could live. I thank God for Jesus. Daniel524 may God open your heart and mind to understand carnal and spiritual things, and the purpose for Jesus’ death on the cross. God’s commandments still binding. A bless night to you brother….help is on the way, I am praying for you.

  19. You simply do not have to reply if i am wasting your time. Ill will read through what you wrote. Give me 5minutes

    • Daniel524, calender is not a problem for me. You know what day to go to work and when your work ended at the end of the week, if you work Monday to Friday. If you have a doctor’s appoint, on Saturday, would you go and check your calender 2000 years ago to know what day is Saturday. That first question is irrelevant. We know in this modern world, that we all use the same calander and we know what day is the Sabbath. I do not burden the Sabbath with all those rules such as, travel, if I have a car I will drive it, If I have to make some hot tea or prepare breakfast, I will. Daniel524, if the calender change and I dont know, and I am serving Him and keeping the day I believe is Saturday, He will wink on my ignorance. I believe you have a problem!! Why dont you serve your God on the day you believe is the day to worship, Sunday. Reciprocal question, how do you know that you are worshiping on the right day, when it is not mentioned anywhere in the bible. You for sure is confused. God know that we Sabbath worshippers are in our minds wants to worship on Saturday, an if we worship on a day that we believe is Saturday, the 7th day, God knows our hearts, if the Sabbath change and we didnt know, He knows it was an genuine honest mistake. But I know that it is not a mistake, to you Daniel524 and others think that we are not worshiping on that day, but God dont think like man. He plainly states that to remember the 7th day to keep it holy. It the day do change God will open our eyes and give us visions or dreams. Daniel524, you are a very rude person, God is not please in the way you are talking to you sister; and you are talking about love. Love dont hurt, it brings happiness and joy to those who we love, as our NEIGHBOR, as you state over and over again. The person you are talking about about they are unhappy about how they keep the Sabbath, they are not doing it the right way, because when you are serving God and keeping his Sabbath it shouldnt make no one unhappy. He is doing something wrong, he is causing a burden to himself or herself and also to the Sabbath. You are a very determin man, and you are VERY, VERY CONFUSE of your sabbath, I know for sure that I am worshiping the bibical Sabbath. No one, you hear what I say, no one would not change my mind from worshipping and keeping the Sabbath, the 7th day Sabbath holy.

      • Vendasabath. Why am I rude? Because I do not believe what you believe. I havent abused you or said anything else than what I believe. I have told you that I love you as a brother, and that I am sharing my belief. Im not sure if you are a girl/ or a guy, however please stop being fragile and over sensitive with your emotions.

        2. To answer your question “Why dont you serve your God on the day you believe is the day to worship, Sunday” – I worship God everyday. Not on sunday, not on saturday. But EVERYDAY. The time i put aside for god is not 1 day of the week. Regardless, if I were to keep my Sunday as the sabath, then I would be resting…It has nothing to do with worship. “6 days you shall labour but on the seventh day you shall rest”. What has that got to do with worshipping God.

        You only say im rude, because you dont like me. I like you. Take it easy buddy this is a forum, relax a little bit brother.

      • You have just said ” know for sure that I am worshiping the bibical Sabbath. No one, you hear what I say, no one would not change my mind from worshipping and keeping the Sabbath, the 7th day Sabbath holy”

        Why are you worshipping the sabath? Why are you worshipping Time, 24hours? I think you mean you are worshipping Jesus on the Sabath? Maybe you just wrote that wrong i assume. But I hope you are, because worshipping a day..and not worshipping Jesus is idoltary. And for me, And why is Jesus going to “wink on your ignorance” If Saturday today, isnt really the seventh day. But he wont “He wont wink in my ignorance” If I believe truly that this commandment is not addressed or required when I have Jesus Christ in my life. You contradict what you say sister

        • Daniel524. all along I have been saying that I praise my God, I love Jesus, I want to be a part of the kingdom of heaven, how could you think that I am worshipping the day and not worshipping my Jesus and my God on the Sabbath, 7th day Sabbath. Do you read your bible, I said that God will wink on our ignorance, and he mention that. Again my God, My Jesus, do not, I am saying it again, do not think as man. If Jesus and God think like us, man, who would like in a choatic world, because man has to be guided by some higher being. I am for sure that I am worshipping the 7th day Sabbath, the bibical sabbath, no doubt in my mind that I am doing the right thing. Daniel524 you worship everyday, that is good, but you are missing that special day. The 7th day Sabbath reminds you of God’s creation, when you work 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 days, you are doing as God didd, rested from all your work and now you will be focusing on God’s created works, and He rested on the 7th day. Even when Jesus died on Friday, he rested on Saturday, the 7th day, and He resurrected on the 1st day of the week, Sunday. Why God did not resurrected on Saturday, the 7th day, because He also rested on the Sabbath. He said that He will raised again on the 3rd day, Friday, 6th day, Saturday, 7th day, and Sunday, the 1st day of the week. I know that why you worship everyday of the week, because you are not sure what to do, and your have no faith in God, believing that the 7th day Sabbath is the day of rest. That’s is why I am saying God is working on you. The world knows that Jesus was risen on the 1st day of the Week according to Luke 24-1, 46; it is abvious that if Jesus died on the six day, rested in the grave on the 7th day, resurrected on the 1st day, that day is Sunday, we canot make no mistake on the day God said to worship. I can see Daniel524, you are having a hard time believing and accepting the 7th day Sabbath as the day of rest instituted by God for all people, nations and town. Without faith it is impossible to please God. You do not have not faith, not even faith like a mustard seed. You do as the bible say with faith, you cannot go wrong.

          • cont’d #34, According to Acts 17:29- 31. God is a just and loving God that is why I love Him so; and I will do everythig in my power to serve, worship and be obedience to Him and to his word. Another text for thought Matthew 27:62-63, Now the next day, that following the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, (63) Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while He was yet alive, After three days I will raise again. They call my Jesus a deceiver. Many of us want God and Jesus to read and spell everything out for us, as though wisdom was taken away from us or we have no wisday. If the bible tells us in Genesis 2:1, 2 that God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made, what is too hard to understand that we know we have 7 days in a week and the 7th is the Sabbath day to keep it holy. When you read Matthew 27:63, then we know that Jesus died Friday, the 6th day, and raised up onthe 3rd day, which is the 1st day of the week, Sunday, it does not tak a genious to know that, it is the wisdom God gives to his children with pure commonsense. There is no other day besides the 7th day Sabbath God rested, blessed, santcify or make holy, to set apart as sacred. It is all good to worship Monday to Saturday, but a special day has set aside for us to worship by the creator God, and it is the 7th day Sabbath. I know that the people who worship on the 7th days of the week, Sunday to Saturday, is because they are not sure what day to worship on, so they are making sure that they worship on all the days of the week without keeping a particular day holy…that is disobedient to God, he commanded his children to remember the 7th day to keep it holy, people just cannot do as they please or want, they have to obey God, the creator of the universe. What is wrong with these people. Does that kind of behavior or doing is right??? I need an answer please. Please do not attact me. I just want to know. Daniel524, by ending I must let you know that I am a woman. God bless you.

            • cont’d #35, Daniel524, I must let you know that I am exciting, happy and getting ready to welcome my Sabbath, I am finishing my preparation, by 4:00 clock today Friday, February 15, I should be finish with my Sabbath preparation. Do you want to join me in singing, and worshping God on his Holy Sabbath day? You are welcome to joint my family. It shouldnt be a problem because you are worshiping 7 days ofthe week. Take care my brother, and be blessed, keep suching for the truth and God will help you make your decision in what is right or wrong. Blessings to you and your family.l Have a bless and happy Sabbath. Peace!

              A Happy Sabbath to all the bloggers…God loves you all and I love you all to.

                • Hi Daniel524 how are you brother? It was good to hear from you. I thought you were on vacation overseas or out-of-state. Thanks you. I had a blessed weekend.

                  Blessings in the name of Jesus…Peace

  20. VendaSabath, After all that being said.

    1. How do you know, for certain (without assumptions) that Saturday, in our Calender we have today, Is the correct seventh day Sabath that was observed 2000years ago, when the Calender has been changed twice in History including the Julian and gregorian Calender. Even By believing that the day hasnt been changed, how can we be 100% certain that it has not?

    2. Do you travel to church on the sabath? Do you drive? Well you cannot travel and kindle a fire on the Sabath as it states in the Old testament, So you arent allowed to start a car that combusts fire from the piston chambers and cant travel to far to your church.

    3. I love the Lord with all my heart and all my soul, who are you to tell me differently? Your nobody and I’m nobody. God will judge you, and he will judge me. So Once again Colossions 2:16 – Therefore let no one judge you in food or in Drink, or in regards to a new moon or the Sabath day.

    4. The 10 commandments have healthy princples applied, I do agree with them. But my Lord and my God told me he has fullfilled these laws and that He has a Better covenant to offer me.

    5. Jesus kept the sabath. He was a jew. Jesus also was circumcised, we dont do that anymore do we? Or should we?

    6. Jesus replied “my father is working to this very day and I myself and Working”. How much clearer texts do you need brother for Jesus to tell you he worked on the sabath day. He didnt Say he wasnt working, He said HE WAS WORKING. That is after being accussed.

    7. Stop getting annoyed at me, and saying your wasting your time. You chose to type, you chose to lay your fingers on the keyboard. You either want to help me or make a strick argument. Either way, Im not wasting my time. Like I said, I love you cause your my brother. Regardless of what you think of me I dont care. Im hear to spread the Gospel, even though in your head you think its satanic. I dont care.

    8. The Sabath. Let me tell you something. I know someone who obeys the Law of God, and kepts the seventh day sabath and is truly unhappy in their life. They have no peace, no joy in the lord. All she ever does is to pray for Jesus’s Second coming and for the Lord to take her life away because she is so stressed and to obey sabath. That is Bondage, and that is not the love and rest Jesus has to offer. My rest is in Christ Jesus, he saved me and I want to do his will. That will is to love one another, That is to help the poor. Feed the Sick, Love my wife, and help on to those who need help. Jesus observed the Sabath, Jesus was circumsised. Am I Jew? No im not. Jesus said i am the way to the truth and the life, He who knows him knows the Father. Infact, Show me one SINGLE VERse, where jesus implies how important sabath is like you do and like the adventist church does. Why wasnt it listed when jesus was asked what the TWO MOST IMPORTANT Verses are? Where was sabath there? Jesus Said keep MY commandments. He didnt say keep the 10 Commandments. MY and 10 are not the same word. If you feel convicted to keep sabath, then Brother once again keep it and believe im going to hell. That is fine. So be it. But The lord will judge me. Why dont you judge yourself. Cause thats all adventists do is tell people how they are doing it wrong, and they devide themselves among christians. So many times i watch adventists sermons, and all they do is bag other christians for not keeping sabath. Its sickening

    • Jesus didn’t teach something new..
      To love God will all your heart and with all your soul, Jesus quoted the Deu. 6:5 word for word. To love your neighbor, Jesus quoted Lev. 19: 18 word for word. God/Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever..

    • Jesus is coming very soon. Prophecy in the bible is fast fulfilling. Satan, the arch deceiver wanted to infiltrate the protestant-Christianity, the children of Ismael and even Jews. Satan through the hand of Catholic system infiltrated protestant by making them drink with the wine of Sun worship, the Children of Ishmael was infiltrated by pope Gregory with the help of Jesuit priest named Augustine by creating counterfeit religion to eliminate true Christianity which they called heretics, to protect the Augustinian monk, and to capture Jerusalem for his Holiness. Have you ever pondered why the Vatican II council was created? simply because, the Vatican wanted to create a fundamentalist Christian religion that would drive man closer to the doctrine of Catholic system. Once more, protestant was infiltrated by Catholic system by creating another denomination. Have you ever questioned what is the doctrine of this new denomination? This is the teaching of grace alone and faith. No work, no effort, you don’t have to obey God’s commandments.. All you have to do is to believe, believe, believe, believe without obeying God’s commandments.. Take a look at your Church now. maybe you are one of them, being infiltrated by Catholic system…

      • John, John thank you for being so judgemental. Are you a true christian? I didn’t think so. I am very happy that you comment on what you believe in. It is abvious that you are not a christian. A true christian is obedient to God’s word. God is the creator and many of us what to act like the creator, God. He created mankind, he gave us his word and commandments, and we want to change everything in the bible. The BIBLE means basic instructions before leaving the earth. I believe what you say when you mention we have to believe in God. JOHN, stop making yourself a fool!!!! How could you believe with out obeying. Obedience, faith and belief go together. You cannot say you love God without thrse three, obedience, faith and believing God’s words. The Sabbath is one of God’s commandment. You forget that the bible said if you break one you are guilty of all. JOHN, if you do not keep the commondment, please hushhhhhhh…you are in error already. I want you to study the word of God and if you don’t believe the one who ask us human being to keep the commandments. Who is your God, I don’t believe we are serving the same God. When you find the truth that will set you free start quoting the bible to me. You are in error..you are abviously what the bible said in John 8:41, 42 read on.

      • John, read how Catholictism comes about. Read their history, then you can say that my chrisitan beliefs are different than the wahy the Catholics worship. They are worshiping the Sun day and I am worshiping the Sabbath day (Saturday), that’s is what God and Jesus said, not man. All the Sunday worshippers are worshipping the Sun day (Sunday) and they don’t even realize that or they know but stiff necked and disobedience. Even if Jesus died on the cross that would not change the commandments in the bible.. God and Jesus are one, and God said I change not, so why God want to change the commandments or commandment when His son Jesus died on the cross. People what are you reading? No man is like God, and I thank God for that, because we cannot think like God. As Isa. 40:28; Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. God dont thnk and understand like man. He is an all powerful God. He knows our mind, the present and future. We must fear and believe a God that is not like man, a God who has created the world, there was not one in the world when it was created, only God. Why can we obey Him. Not even the Jews was created before man, mand were created together with the animals. That’s why man was created differently than the animals, because we were made to think, we have intellect, we know wright from wrong. We wee formed by God’s hand, and we were in the image and likeness of God according to Genesis 1:26, 27-29. I did not read where God created Jews first then gentiles. Man period!!! was created on the 6th day acccording to Genesis 1:6. God is a God of order, he would not give some people in another part of the world the ten commandmants and some he gives in another country or some part of the world. God did everything the day he created the world, including man. So dont tell me that the law or the commandment were for the Jews or it was done away with. How STUPID could some people be. Remembe, God is the Creator of Heaven and the earth, the laws, the commandments written with the finger on stone. Did God went back and change the commandment on the stone he wrote hundreds of years ago. Why it is in the sanctuary in the most holy place. Lord, forgive these people they dont know what they are talking about. Help them Lord Jesus, help them God.

  21. Love’s Joyful Reunion. What a day that will be when my Jesus I shall see.Thank God when Jesus comes the 2nd time, he will be coming with thousands of angels to take the righteousness children who are alive and were faithful, and the righteousness dead to heaven with Him and we all will be spending a thousand years with God and Jesus and his angels. Then we will have the opportunity to read the book of life, that book is the where the children of God will be judge of the good and the bad. I cannot wait to be in the a part of that number. All the redeemed come forth from their graves with the freshness and vigor of eternal youth. Christ’s faithful ones, free from all blemishes and deformities, will appear in the beauth of ghe Lord our God. In mind and soul and body reflecting the perfect image of their Lord. The living righteous are changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. At the voice of God they were glorified; now they are made immortal and with the risen saints are caught up to meed the Lord in the air. Angels gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Little children are borne by holy angels to their mothers arms. PRAISE THE LORD. Friends long separated by death are united, and with songs of gladness ascend together to the City of God.
    Before entering the New Jerusalem, the Savior bestows upon His followers the emblems of victory and invests them with the insignia of their royal state. Upon the heads of the overcomers, Jesus with His own right hand places the crown of glory. For each there is a crown, bearing his own “new name. Rev. 2:17), and the inscription, “Holiness to the Lord.”

  22. cont’d #30, Before the ransomed throng is the Holy City. Jesus opens wide the pearly gates, and the nations that have kept the truth enter in. There they behold the Paradise of God, the home ofAdam in his innocency. Then that voice, richer than any music that ever fell on mortala ear, is heard, saying: “Your conflict is ended.” “Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” During the thusand years between the first and the second resurrection the judgment of the wicked takes palce. Paul points to this judgment as an event that follows the second advent.

    The wicked will be resurrected with all their pains and diseases that took their lives. They will be in the second ressurection, and the second has no power. My God is just and true. We who are righteous, will be caught up in the air to meet Jesus and his arangels, and we will be changed in a tinkle of an eye. No more pain, stress, crying, and dying. We will be welcome by Jesus Himself. After the thousand years, we all will come back to a purified earth, and God will destroy satan, his angels and the wicked people with fire and brimstone. What a day that will be..
    Hallelujah! Glory to God, praise His name. Then we will live with Jesus, God, the holy angels and all our faithful brothers and sisters on this purified earth forever, that will be our new home, the New Jerusalem. Thank you God, thank you Jesus.

  23. Sun worship on the sunday?

    Christians worshipping on Sunday, Worship Jesus On Sunday..Not the Sun. They are not worshipping “the sun” nor the “day”. You simply write multiple times that you are worshipping the sabath, whereas Christians dont worship the day but a person. Whether its Sunday..Saturday..Friday..They woship Jesus Christ. They simply do Not designate a day “to worship” as Adventists do, as the bible is clear we have access to Jesus 24/7 and can call and worship him any moment.

    Sabath has to do with Rest not Worship. Read your bible. 6 days you shall labour and the seventh you should rest. Sabath has nothing to do with worship but with Rest. Sabath Rest.

    Why many people have different views on the sabath. People like yourself believe the catholics changed this however there is many evidence that christians were observing Sunday and no longer the Sabath in before Constatine in 400AD period.

    I have much respect for you observing the sabath. In that same Matter you should have the same respect for Believers who chose to obey New covenant teachings over old testament laws. Adventists believe the 10commandments still apply. Whilst I totally Agree, I have to argue the point that the princples apply..Not the law. We are not stoning people to Death today. Jesus taught us Love fullfills the Law, Jesus taught us Hatred is the same as murder. Lust is the same as adultery. Whilst the commandments are there…Jesus showed as the princple..he address the heart issue. This is very important.

    Jesus tells me that all who are weary and have burdens that he will provide us rest for our souls. Jesus tells us he is Above the Sabath, Jesus Healed on the sabath..Told a man to walk and carry his bed on the sabath (the bed is a sign of rest) and when accussed on breaking the sabath, replied with a statement “my father is worketh i myself am working”. Whether you believe he is breaking tradition or not. The bible is very clear the circumsion is more important than sabath yet we dont keep that law.

    • Hello Leagan,

      Your general statement of disapproval does nothing to further the search for truth. If you’d care to be more specific in your criticism, perhaps the author will address your concerns.

      • Admin, you know that Leagan is disputingwhat Daniel524 said, why are you attacking him. He is right, may God forgive you and Daniel524. Keep worshiping the Sun’s day. Any day that God did not say that he bless, santify, and keep holy is not the day that God want his people to worship. He clearly states in Exod. 20:8, 9 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy….land he went on to say Six days shall thou labor and do all they work..are you telling me that God’s word has no meaning. He is God, he said to worship him on the day that he ask us to, the Sabbath, the 7th day, what is so wrong about what is in the bible. Abviously, you dont love God because you are not obedient to his word. If you google who changed the sabbath Saturday to Sunday, you will get many answers from all the sunday churches that the catholics did. You cannot go wrong. So Admin, keep worshiping on the Sun’s day, Sunday. Keep disobeying God and his words. Only those who are obedient will see Jesus’ face and enter into his kingdom, new jerusalem. Keep studying and researching the truth. Please all you disobedient people, if you all continue to disobey God you will not inherit that heavenly mansion he has gone to prepare for all those who have been faithful to him. You aught to obey, believe, accept Jesus as God and have faith in Jesus and God. Peace to you.

        • If Sunday is Sun’s day than Saturday is Saturn’s day and you worship Saturn on that day.

          The argument can go both ways.

  24. I cannot believe my eyes…..why are you guys have so much hatred for 7th day?wow……the world are against us because we choose to keep the commandments of God rather than man..”if the world hates you,remember that it hated me first”(John15:18-25).

    • I haven’t seen any hatred here. Vibrant discussion perhaps, but certainly never any hatred. You 7th Day folks need to learn how to take some criticism about your beliefs, and defend them with kindness and love and truth. The only people I see that are making judgements about who is a True Christian and who is not are those firmly planted in the 7th day camp. I’d certainly never claim that none of you love God. There have been many accusations from those claiming to be 7th day members that all others who don’t follow the exact beliefs they personally have hate God.

      If I was searching for a church to attend, I’d certainly not consider the 7th day church if all I had to base my decision on were the comments in this thread. I’ve been to a 7th day church in my town, and I’ve met many 7th day folks over the years. As a matter of fact, with one or two exceptions, I would say that the 7th day folk I’ve met over the years have been very nice loving people.
      None of the ones I’ve ever met face to face have been as downright nasty to others as those I’ve met here in this comment thread.

      Perhaps you guys here are a fringe 7th day spinoff of the Westboro Baptists?

      Quick, make up some signs!!!!

  25. lol @ admin?????? Really?? “If u were searching for a church to attend, you would certainly not consider the 7th day church” because your offended by what and how a person/man reacted towards you?? “that’s pretty weak” I didn’t mean to point that out lol, but please don’t let no one stop you from doing what’s right, anyways let’s get back to the subject guys it is indeed interesting and important.
    I am now a 7th Day Adventist, I wasn’t before for 12 years of my life and I am so glad I somehow joint the 7th Day. I mean, it’s not that easy being a 7th days most of my friends and relatives goes to church on Sunday and they laugh at me for going to Church on Saturday lol But When I asked them why? Do they go Church on Sunday? They say because everyone goes to Church that day lol im like wooow really that’s the reason?? Anyways there is this book by Danny Shelton and Shelly Quinn its call “TEN COMMANDMENTS TWICE REMOVED” The good thing about this book guys its bible based, if you read it, believe me, it’s really clear and straight forward. I have so many copies, I wish I could give them out to you guys!! “ I would if I could”
    I will just type up some of the main points from Danny and Shelly’s book so I don’t delude their message lol hope it helps!!

  26. (Ten Commandments twice removed)

    “Sin must be defined for us to recognize we’re trapped in it’s snare. God gave us a clear definition of sin in his 10 Commandments. Without this, people can’t recognize there pitiful condition or their need for a Savior?…

    We must trust that God knew exactly what He was doing when he packaged all Ten Commandments together. yes, He made them one package? In the “New Testament book of James: we are warned that if we break one commandment, we are guilty of breaking them all” (Ja 2:10) And lets not overlook the counsel of Christ. ” He said if we break one of the least of the Commandments —-or teach others to do the same—-we’ll be called the “least” in the kingdom of heaven (Mt 5:19) “Should we conveniently sweep his instruction under the rug and forget about it?????????

    “Most of today’s Christian Churches do no keep the Ten Commandments as a combined unit. At best, they adhere to only nine. My Question is this? Do we have the authority to choose which of the Ten Commandment we want to keep? Sadly, most Christians ignore the one that God established for our joy at the beginning of time. The forgotten commandment is the very one God calls us to REMEMBER and keep holy and “wholly” The Seventh-day (Saturday) Sabbath.

    (To keep or not to keep)
    “Jesus said, “The Son of Man has come to seek and to save which was lost …..I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through Me” (Lk 19:10. Jn 14:6) The purpose of His coming was to destroy the devil’s work-to seek and to save the lost. He who says, I know him, and does not keep His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him”(1 Jn 2:3-4) Can anyone know Christ without obeying His commandments? Read that verse again. Then consider how John tells us to identify those who are the children of God. “If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness in born of Him” “(1 Jn 2:29) The bible define many things as sin, Backbiting, boasting, unbelief, and blasphemy are categorized as sin. Paul tells us anything that is not from faith is sin (Rom 14:23). James warns that if we know the right thing to do and refuse to do it, we are sinning (Ja 4:17) While John states that all unrighteousness is sin (1 Jn 5:17) These verses explain attitudes and action that fall into the sin category, but they do not provide a clear definition of sin.

    How do we know what is the right thing to do? How do we recognize what is unrighteousness? Disobedience to God’s commandment is the opposite of practicing righteousness. In fact, did you know that is how the Bible defines sin? “Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness” (1 jn 3:4) There you have it-the only clear definition of sin in the Bible.

    I believe i don’t really need to go over the Ten Commandments again and again as “VendaSabbath” already pointed out. lol

    But for now lets me toss out few ‘teasers” for those who think God’s seventh-day (Saturday) Sabbath was cancelled at the Cross:

    1) And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath’ (Mt 24:20) in the context of this Bible passage (Mt 24:15-24), Jesus warned of a time of tribulation that would occur many years after His death. If Jesus know the Sabbath would no longer be in effect after his resurrection, why did he instruct His followers to pray their flight would no be on the Sabbath?
    2) “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Mt 5:18) We know Christ referred to the Ten Commandments law here. In the context of this passage, Christ amplified the Commandments-expending them from the mere “letters” of the law to include the “spirit” of the law. He identified spewing anger and abusive language with spirit of murder (vs 21-23). He labelled lust as spiritual adultery (vs 27-28) Don’t you think if Jesus indent to abolish the Sabbath commandment at his resurrection, He would surely have testify that the law of God would be changed before heaven and earth passed away?? The Old Testament prophecies concerning the coming Messiah and the end of the world will not be completely fulfilled until God’s people finally put on immortality at the “last trumpet” (See 1 Cor 15:50-58)
    3)The Lord says, ‘For as the new heavens and the new earth which i will make shall remain before Me….it shall come to pass that…from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before me….” (Is 66:22-23). if the Sabbath was removed at his resurrection because we have found rest in Christ, why would God reinstate in in the new heavens and the new earth? for all of eternity, God’s redeemed people will gather every seventh-day Sabbath to have to have a time of special worship and fellowship with our Creator God.
    4)’Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy,” (Ex 20:8) Why is the fourth Commandment the only of the Ten commandment starts with word ‘REMEMBER)

    All these confirm that the Seventh-day Sabbath(Saturday) Sabbath of the fourth Commandment was never done away changed or done away with in the New Testament. I am sure its clear to everyone that the Sabbath day falls on Saturday which is the the seventh day of the week.

    The Ten Commandment to keep or not to keep? This is a serious question. You owe it to yourself to examine this important topic.

    The following will provide a glimpse of how the Ten Commandments Law of God reflects His Character.

    God is perfect – Law is perfect (Ps19:7,Ja 1:25)
    God is Holy – Law is Holy (Rom 7:12)
    God is Spirit – Law is Spiritual (Rom 7:14)
    God is Love – Law is Love (1 Tim 1:5; Rom 7:14)
    God is Light – Law is Light (prov 6:23)
    God is True – Law is True (Neh 9:13; Ps 119:142,151)
    God is Righteous – Law is Righteous (Rom 8:4)
    God is Righteousness – Law is Righteousness (ps 119:172)
    God is Just – Law is just (Rom 7:12)
    God is Pure – Law is Pure (ps 19:8)
    God is Good – Law is Good (Rom 7:12)
    God is Faithful – Law is Faithful (Ps 119:86)
    God is Wisdom – Law is Wisdom (Ps 111:10; Ps 119: 98)
    God is Great – Law is Great (Hos 8:12)
    God is the God of Peace- love of the Law brings Great peace(ps119:165)
    God is Unchanging – Law is unchanging (Mt 5:18)

    I hope this helps guys!! God bless i will continue with more latter but keep on with the Bible study guys!!

  27. If Christ is in me and I am in Christ, Who is anyone to say I am not because I chose not to set aside a day.

    Let go, you forgot to mention the part where it tells us in the bible that the 10 commandments were what? They were the Covenant to Israel.

    Exodus 34:28 – And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

    Exodus 24:7-8 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people

    Hebrews 8: By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”

    Also, Why are all of the 9 commandments reinstated in the new testament by Paul yet doesnt mention sabath, infact the only time mentioned in pauls writing about the Sabath is Colossions 2:16 where he tells us not to judge others. So why is it so important in the old testament but not in the new? The answer/.Because Jesus Is far superior than the Sabath. The Law was a Shadow…Jesus is the Fullfillment.

    Adventism, Tell us to keep the 10commandments and are quick to tell other christians they are only keeping 9..When all I feel from the Adventists are always elevating the 4th commandment. Seems to me the Sabath is the most important to them. And it is true, because Ellen G white teaches this is the Zeal of God when the bible teaches us it is the Holy Spirit


    Also, Worship and Rest are seperate. They are not the same thing. Sabath is to do with Rest. Why are adventists not worshipping on Sunday like they should every day of the week including saturday????
    Im pretty sure god said 6days you shall Labour and on the seventh you shall rest. He didnt say worship me only on Saturday?

    Also, Jesus Broke the sabath..Not the traditions of man. The bible tells me this. John wrote “Not only did Jesus break the sabath”. John Didnt write “Not only did the Jews think Jesus Broke the Sabath or Sabath tradition”. And also, what was jesus reply when he was caught breaking the sabath “My father is working, and I myself am working”. What does that mean???? It means he is working. On the Sabath.

    And why do you think im attacking adventists? im not..im attacking deception for the truth.

  28. If we all believe in the bible. We should be having a wonderful Conversation about Christ. But some of us are telling others they believe in the bible but they also believe in Ellen G white. This is where the problem starts. The New testament and new covenant Does not Address the Sabath, Yet Ellen G white does.

    Remember what Jesus says “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves”

    She is the Root of the problem. Her teachings about Sabath, Investigative Judgement. That your on Probation. That you cant be saved and know that you are saved until you die..That jesus is Michael the Archangel are all false doctrines that are not in the Word of God. They arent in there. The bible is not a puzzle. Its very clear. These doctrines are false and ludacris and sending people on a false path.
    Secondary, Adventist is very much like Freemasonry. Just like mormonism. If your not part of the Club..Your not one of the “remnant” and are a sinner..Going to hell or do not know Jesus. All these new age cults have come out in the 1800’s and the Illuminati is doing a fine job of taking peoples eye away from Jesus. You think Sabath is going to save you or the 10 commandments? Wrong. Bible is very clear on law keeping and trying to save yourself. Gods Grace and saving us is a gift “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God”

  29. To Daniel524:
    Why do you keep bringing up Ellen G???? i have never mention her?????? this in not about Ellen G, your the only one who brings her name in to the conversation. if you have a problem with Ellen then, why don’t you go and sort it out with her lol We are talking about the bible and its message. I am a Seventh day Adventist and i hardly hear Ellen’s name in our bible study. When we study the Bible, it’s all about the Bible only. Don’t assume things, cause your only confusing yourself, i think your a bit over board with the seventh day law and how we treat that day?? anyways lets get back to the bible. Stop talking about Illuminati etc its a complete waste of time. I don’t have time to research that rubbish. The Bible has everything we need so why waste our time researching the world and its sinful ways.

    Daniel524: I will have some Questions and answers regarding the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath Day, these two subjects ain’t all we study at church thogh lol there is more to the bible then that. We don’t only go Church on Saturday, we go church during the week too for bible study, singing practice etc but Saturday is a Special day for worship based on my understanding lol

    Lets Start on the “Sabbath Day” OK :)

    1) Why don’t 7th-Day Adventist worship on other days or Sunday like the majority of the Christian world?? Ans—> Seventh Day Adventists base their belief on Scripture alone. We believe that there is no evidence in the bible for Sunday or any other day as a day of worship. Worshiping on Sunday rests on tradition, not on the bible.

    2) Why do so many sincere Christians worship on Sunday rather than follow the Bible by worshiping on the seventh-say Sabbath??..Ans—> It is God’s responsibility, not ours, to judge others and their motives. However, history tells us that in matters of belief, the majority have often been wrong. In Jesus’ day, the leaders justified their refusal to believed in Him by asking, “Have any of the rules or determine truth by a majority vote. We determine truth by God’s Word-the Bible. As we understand it’s teaching, we walk in the light of His truth.

    3) Why do i have to keep the Sabbath if i’am saved and am going to heaven anyways?? Ans—> Keeping the Sabbath does not save you. Christ saves you. But those who have been saved will want to follow their Savior. Jesus said, ” If you love me keep my commandments” (Jn 14:15) He also said that “He was the Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28) The Bible says, “Blessed are those who Do His commandments” that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the City” (Revelation 22:14) Keeping the commandments does not save us, but those who are saved and who will live eternally in heaven will not be willfully disregarding God’s commandment.

    The Bible doesn’t speak of the first day of the week as ” the Lords day?? or God has changed the seventh-day Sabbath?. We all know a man/human changed it not God- (basic findings) so i don’t have to explain that all, if you want then i will lol lets move on!!

    4) How do we know that the biblical seventh day of the week is the day we call (Saturday) today? Haven’t changes been made to calendar through the years??? Ans—> There have been changes made to the calender, but none of these changed the weekly cycle of days. The Julian calender was in use when Jesus was on earth. Its originator, Julius Caesar died about forty years before Christ was born. The length of the year in the Julian calender was approximately eleven minutes too long! As a result, A.D 1582, the calender had gotten off schedule by about ten days. Pope Gregory XIII led a movement to reform the calender, which is why the new calender is called the “Gregorian” calendar. The Gregorian calender began to function in Rome on Friday, October 5, 1582. The day became Friday, October 15-instead of Friday, October 5. The weekly cycle remained un-touched: The day of the week were undisturbed. Some nations began the use of the calendar at once. Other began later. England waited 170 years until 1752. yet these different nations with different calenders all had the same weekly cycle of days. The Seventh Day of the week today is the same seventh day of the week as when Jesus was here on earth. The calender changes have not affect it.

    5) Does the Bible say that we should’n’t judge each other regarding days of worship?? And—> The apostle Paul wrote, “Let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbath, which are a shadow of thing to come, but the Substance is of Christ” …Some have said this means we shouldn’t make an issue of whether a person worships on Saturday or Sunday – one day is as good as another… However, this text isn’t referring to the weekly seventh day Sabbath. The “sabbath” mentioned in this txt are “a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ .” The weekly seventh day Sabbath commemorates Creation;.. it didn’t point forward to the saving work of Jesus as did the Jewish sacrifices and ceremonial sabbaths. The Jewish people had seven annual ceremonial sabbaths that were observed each year. These feast were symbols of Christ and pointed forward t his first coming and the salvation he brought.
    These Jewish feasts and annual sabbaths were a point of contention in the early Christian church. Some taught that these feast should still be observe by Christians, even though they had been fulfilled by Christ. Others taught that it was no longer necessary to observe these annual sabbaths. Paul personally felt that these symbols had met their fulfillment in Christ and were no longer meaningful. However, he was willing to let individual Christians make up their own mind-without judging others who differed from them.
    This txt isn’t speaking about the weekly seventh-day Sabbath at all. Paul continued to worship on the seventh day each week..(see-> Act: 13:14,42,44…16:13…17:2…18:04)

    6) Does the new Testament record instance of Christians continuing to keep the seventh-day Sabbath after Jesus’ crucifixion??? Ans–> The women that followed Christ. ” That day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. And the women who had come with Him(Jesus) from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according according to the commandment” (Luke 23:54-56)
    The apostle Paul. “Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them with the scriptures” (Act 17:2). “So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these word might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now When the Congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. On the next Sabbath almost the whole City came together to hear the word of God” (Act 13:42-44). “And on the Sabbath day we went out of the City to the riverside, where prayers was customarily made; and we set down and spoke to women who met there” (Act 16: 13).

    7) What is involved in proper Sabbath keeping??? Ans—> We need to understand that the Sabbath belongs to the Lord. he refers to it as ” ‘My Holy Day’ ” (Isaiah 58: 13). Several scriptures gives a good understanding of how to keep the Sabbath. The Ten Commandments say, ” ‘Six days you shall labors and do all work, but seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor you daughter, nor you male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor stranger who is within your gates’ ” (Exodus 20:9,10). We are to rest from our jobs and routine, our daily work. Isaiah 58: 13,14 says, ” ‘If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, / From doing pleasure on My holy day, / And called a delight, / The holy day of the Lord honorable, / And shall honor him, not doing your own ways, / No finding your own pleasure, / No speaking your own words, / Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord.’ ” In other words, the Sabbath is not a day to devote to doing the things I want to do-pleasure seeking, shopping, or other secular activities. It is to be a day spend in activities in which i serve the Lord.
    Of course, the Bible speaks about the Sabbath is a day of worship. ” ‘ ” Six days shall work be done, but the Seventh day is a Sabbath of Solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all you dwellings” ‘ ” (Leviticus 23: 3). The word convocation refers to worship, a meeting of a religious character. We are not to spend the Sabbath resting all day at home or alone by yourself. It is a day in which God’s people gather in worship.
    Jesus point out that the Sabbath is a day for doing good to others. Jesus said, ” ‘what man is there among who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out?? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep?? Therefore it is lawful to do good on Sabbath’ ” (Matthew 12: 11,12).

    8) Will we keep the Sabbath in Heaven?? Ans–> The Bible speak of the Sabbath as a perpetual covenant-or agreement-between God and His people. ” ‘Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant’ ” (Exodus 31:16). The Sabbath will continue even into heaven. ” ‘ For as the new heavens and the new earth / Which i will make shall remain before Me, ‘ say’s the Lord, / ‘So shall your descendants and your name remain. / And it shall come to pass / That from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, / All flesh shall come to worship before Me,’ Says the Lord” ( Isaiah 66: 22,23)

  30. Shall we discuss The Law now?? :)

    1)Why should i keep the Law?? –> Salvation is totally and completely of God. Our obedience cannot add anything to what God has already done for us. Our salvation is complete in Him. However, those who have been saved have a responsibility to obey the Savior. Jesus said, ” ‘ If you love Me, keep My commandments’ ” (Jhn 14: 15). And Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived, wrote, “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man” (Ecclesiastes 12: 13, KJV). We do not obey to become children of God. We obey because we are children of God.

    2) Wasn’t the law nailed to Jesus’ Cross??Ans—>Some believe that once Jesus died, Christians no longer need to be concerned about keeping God’s law. It’s true that the ceremonial law – the rules and regulation concerned with the Jewish sacrifices, feasts, and festivals-came to an end when Jesus died. They symbolically pointed ahead to Jesus’ life and death. So when he died, there purpose was fulfilled, and they came to an end. That’s what Paul is talking about when he say’s, “Having wiped out handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the Cross” (Colossians 2:14). Vs 17 says that these things ” are shadow of things to come, but to substance is of Christ.” Also, when Jesus died, the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom (see Matthew 27: 51), symbolizing that these services had met the fulfillment.
    However, God’s moral law-the ten Commandments-is still with us today. God’s Ten Commandments are just as valid today as they were in Old Testament times.

    3) What is the difference between the ceremonial law and the moral law?? Ans–> The ceremonial law refers to all the rules and regulations governing the Jewish nations-the festivals and feasts and yearly sabbaths that were connected with the sacrificial system.
    The moral law refers to God’s Ten Commandments, which contain the weekly seventh-day Sabbath.
    Leviticus 23 distinguishes clearly between the two. After outlining the annual feasts and Sabbaths of the ceremonial system, it says, ” ‘ “These are the feasts of the Lord which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations . . . beside the Sabbaths of the LORD” ‘ ” (Leviticus 23: 37,38, emphasis added). The festivals, offerings, and annual sabbath of the ceremonial system all pointed forward to the work Jesus would do when He came to earth to die on the cross. Their significance ended with His death. The moral law, however, continue to be as valid today as it was on Mount Sainai.

    4) Does the Bible say that the Ten Commandments were done away with?? Ans–> No. God’s Ten Commandments have never been done away with. They are the foundation of His government. “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; / Mercy and truth go before Your face” (Psalm 89:14). Jesus told us the law would never pass away. ” ‘For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled’ ” (Matthew 5: 18)

    Hope you guys learned something. It’s not about challenging, it about seeking the truth and the truth will set you free. :) PTL

    If you need more information please check out http://www.adventistbookcenter.com heaps and heaps of books explaining, what we believe inn etc, mostly bible base guys. Also check out Kenneth Cox Books!! very interesting!!! it’s all about God!! so God Bless us brothers and sisters :)

  31. Hi There mate,

    The reason why I mention Ellen G white is beacuse she is the founder of the Adventist church, and the church is based upon her teachings. You have asked Why do I mention her? Because if a Mormon comes up to me telling me about God’s word, Ofcourse Im going to bring up Joseph Smith and show the error of his teachings. They somehow use the bible as a deffence, yet they play offence with his teachings. Its two sided, Just like many denominations that have prophets. If you go to a seven day adventist church, Then although you tell me you dont study her writings. I am sure you have learnt HER doctrines. That is, about the Mark of the BEast is going to church on a day other than saturday, That Jesus entered the most holiest of holies in 1844 and began the investigative judgment that now puts every christian on a probation. That probation god will test us. You will find out as an adventist that the probation includes keeping of the 4th commandment and that the 4th commandment is the Zeal of God. Other doctrines including That Michael Archangel and Jesus are the same. That Satan is our final Sin Bearer – All doctrines of Ellen G white. You may not know of these, or yet have the answers to this, But Ellen G white does, and so does THe Bible does. Let me assure you that the Bible and Ellen G white do not meet together and have completely different doctrines. The question is, Whether you are going to believe the Church, that Ellen G white is a true prophet or if your going to believe God’s Word. You cannot have both.When you get baptised in an adventist church, 1 of the things you need to agree to are the spirit of Prophecy. You will soon understand that means to acknowledge ellen G white as a true prophet of god, that the Adventist church are the remnant and that as mrs white quotes ” Satan has taken full possession of the churches as a body”. This means that anything outside of adventism is not of God. Ellen G white also quotes that “our prayers are an abonination to god” for those who are outside of the Adventist church. All of this you can find out by reading “the great controversy”. You may not care about these things. But you should, reason being this is your churches foundation and its teachings. If you dont believe in this, then there are fanatics that do. bottom line is that the church is founded on its prophet and there will always be a mixture of these beliefs that will not escape the church.

    Jesus said keep my commandments. It is up to the individual to believe that means the 10commandments. However, may I point out that jesus gave many new commandments that were not in the 10 commandments. For example John 15:12 (This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you) – So when jesus says keep my commandments, How can we automatically assume he is talking about the 10commandments? We can’t, because jesus gave many more commandments and talked more laws about Love and especially addressed the heart issue of Lust and hatred. – For some reason, people who chose to keep the commandments, whenever they see the word commandment in the new testament – Automatically assume and think this is the 10commandments.

    Also, I completely agree with you in saying the 10commandments were not abolished. They were fullfilled. the Law was a shadow. Jesus is the fullfillment. Jesus always elevated the 10commandments. He always put the 10 commandments and showed how they look like in the new covenant. He talked about lust comparing it to the old covenant – Adultery. He talked about hatred comparing it with murder from 10 commandments. Yes, The princple still applies from the 10 commandments. The 10commandments were moral laws, However jesus elevated these princples into something greater. he addressed the issue with our Heart. Thats why Jesus tells us that he is our rest, and that is why the sabath is not stressed in the new covenant. You tell me the bible does not say anywhere where the sabath was changed, but tell me where it is mentioned also? It isnt mentioned, apart from colossions 2:16 where it tells us we shouldnt judge anyones day of Worship including the sabath and tells us these are a shadow of the things to come. But Jesus is the substance. Its very clear.

    At the end of the day. If those who feel convicted in their hearts to obey the sabath then that is fine by me, and I am not the Judge but God is. I would love if adventist can fellowship with other christians, but its a bit hard when they have a judgment on them for not keeping the sabath and believe they are not part of the “remnant”. Let us not forget what the two greatest commandments are. Love your lord with all your heart and lvoe your neighbour. And these two laws what? They fullfill the law. If we are doing these very two commandments, these are the greatest and most pleasing to the Lord. Not sabath Keeping. Luke 10:27 Romans 13:10, Galatians 5:14 ”

    ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.””Luke 10:27 Romans 13:10, Galatians 5:14
    “Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”
    “For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.””

  32. Hello Daniel :)

    I agree with you Dan a bit about Ellen, but not fully because i haven’t done much research on her, like i said, i honestly don’t really hear much of her teaching or doctrines, like you have claimed. I go to church because I am hungry for His words and I want to fully understand the bible. I’m glad to be a Seventh day Adventist and if Ellen was the founder, she must be right about something because I am stating to understand the Bible clearly. I am also happy you brought up Ellen, now I have more questions to bring up in our Bible study and more to research on my spare time, so thanks Dan. Please don’t compare us to the Mormon, I have been to their services and even let them in to my house for a good week, I wanted to hear their view of the bible. (most of their teaching is based on another book called The Mormon or something and they said God was married, I will not share the rest cause it’s not true lol 7th day Adventist don’t base their believe in any book not even on Ellen but the Bible only that’s the reason for me being a Seventh Day, I do still visit other church though, I’m going to the Jehovah witness this coming Sunday!! if I find a better Church I will definitely leave the Seventh day but for now the Seventh day is the only church I believe preaches the truth. Now let’s get back to the Bible!!

    Jesus said: “ ‘If you love Me, keep My commandments’ ” (Jhn 14: 15) think about it!!

    It’s clear to me that you don’t read and study the Bible correctly Dan, (don’t be offended though)

    Some people claim to be “New Testament Christians” implying the consult the New Testament alone for teachings. Unfortunately, someone taught these well-intentioned believers that the New Testament cancelled the teaching of the Old. Paul Disagrees. He said God INSPIRED “ALL SCRIPTURE” to equip us for good works.
    The Old Testament contains a volume of equipping Scripture five to six times larger in content then the New, it’s impossible to interpret one without the other – THE OLD TESTAMENT CONTAIN THE NEW AND THE NEW TESTAMENT EXPLAINS THE OLD. You will find Jesus Christ in every book of the Bible. The resurrected Christ told his disciples, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the LAW OF MOSES and the Prophets and Psalms concerning ME” (Luke 24:44) Jesus also said, “THEREFORE EVERY SCRIBE INSTRUCTED CONCERNING THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS LIKE A HOUSEHOLDER WHO BRINGS OUT OF HIS TREASURE THINGS NEW AND OLD” (Mt 13:52) There are spiritual treasures in the OLD and NEW Testaments. The error of tossing out the Old Testament has closed the door to understanding the eternal nature of the Ten Commandments LAW OF GOD.


    Did you know the Old Testament reveals God’s Law was in force before He handed in down in stone on MT Sinai??? (I bet you didn’t because you don’t study the Old Testament)

    That’s the problem, whoever taught you “that the New Testament cancelled the Old Testament is a false prophet. Read the Bible people try getting everyone’s point of view instead of believing only in your own knowledge….. and compare it to the Bible and see which make senses and pray for His (GOD’S) guidance.

    DAN, I wasn’t assuming when I talked about the LAW, the different between us is that I understand the laws, I know the difference between GOD’S LAW and MOSES’S LAW and it’s simply stated in the BIBLE. I would type it all down but maybe a chart it’s more simple to understand:

    The Ten Commandment The Law of Moses :
    Law of God:

    Called “The Law of God

  33. The Ten Commandment – Law of GOD

    Called “The Law of the Lord – Isaiah 5: 24
    Written by God on Stone – Exodus 31:18, 32:16
    Placed inside the Ark – Exodus 40: 20
    God’s Law point out sin – Roman 7:7, 3:20
    God’s Law is not grievous – 1 John 5: 3
    God’s Law is called “The Royal Law” – James 2:8
    God’s Law judges all men – James 2:10-12
    God’s Law is Spiritual – Romans 7:14
    God’s Law Brings blessing and peace – Proverb 29:18, Psalms 119;165
    God’s Law is PERFECT – Psalms 19:7
    God’s Law is ETERNAL – Mathew 5: 17 -19

    The law of Moses:

    Called “The law of Moses” – Luke 2;22, 1 Corinthians 9:9
    Written by Moses in a Book – Deuteronomy 31:24 2 Chronicles 35:12
    Placed by the side of the Ark – Deuteronomy 31:26
    Moses’ law added because of sin – Galatians 3:19
    Moses’ law contrary to us – Colossians 2:14
    Moses’ law was called “law contained in the ordinances – Ephe 2:15
    Mose’s law judges no man – Colossians 2: 14-16
    Moses’ law was Carnal – Hebrew 7: 16
    Moses’ law contained curses – Deut: 29: 20-21, Galations 3:10
    Moses’ law made nothing perfect – Hebrew 7:19
    Moses law was temporary – Colossians 2: 14, Hebrews 8: 13

    Now that should be clear enough.. every time you read a verse referring to the LAW use this chart to identify ” who’s law the verse is talking about.

  34. AND AGAIN PEOPLE “WHERE THESE IS NO LAW, THERE IS NO SIN” how can that be possible??? NO SIN?? people must think going to Heaven is that easy lol No way!! how can we live with out LAW’S to guide us???..

    Doesn’t the NEW TESTAMENT make it clear that to avoid sin we should avoid breaking the Ten Commandment LAW? ” For whoever shall keep the WHOLE LAW, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty, of all. For He who said, ” Do not commit adultery, also said, Now if you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law” (Ja 2: 10-11)

    Now, Christ came to “fulfill” the Law. In the Greek, the word used here means to fill it full-to reveal God’s fullest intentions.

    The Law of Love and Liberty

    The Ten Commandments are The Law of Love – a transcribed of God’s character!!

    “He who does not love does not know God, for God is love” (1jn 4:8)

    The Ten Commandments express God’s perfect will of love for his people Christ character of love is revealed in the Law of God. Our Lord said all of his Ten Commandment are sustained by love —————->>>> “You shall love the LORD our GOD with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind……..you shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two COMMANDMENTS hang all the law and prophets: (m 22:37-40)



    Now shall we OPEN our Bible and memories the Ten Commandment???

    Jesus said, ” If you love Me, Keep my Commandment, if you keep My Commandment , you will abide in My Love, just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His love” (Jn 14:15,15:10)
    Jesus obeyed the Father’s Commandment. He asks us to demonstrate our love for Him by doing the same.

    Paul wrote that love is fulfillment of the Ten Commandment LAW OF GOD (Rom 13:10) In Greek that means love fills God’s Commandment to the fullest only by his love flowing through us.


    Everyone here agrees that we need to set apart some times for Gods and rest one day in seven. Still they say it does’t make any difference which day we choose, as long as we rest. What a slap in the face this must be to our Creator God!! It’s a classic example of created beings thinking they are smarter than the Creator. In this case, the “CREATED” are telling the “CREATOR” that he had no right to authorize the day of worship and rest. God’s commands don’t always compute with our little finite minds, but that doesn’t negate our obligation to obey ALMIGHTY GOD.

    I also would like to thank Danny Shelton & Shelley Quinn for the wonderful Book.. Ten Commandment Twice Removed… beautiful study guide..

    God Bless Everyone….

  35. am sorry to say this, it time wasting arguing the right day of worship because it seems that we are not making any head way. Right here in nigeria from where i come from, there are so many churches with different beliefs. According to the bible, the only distinguishing feature of the new law from the former is that the later is inscribed in our hearts. I urge you guys not to read but study the bible with the aid of the holyspirit’s guidance to avoid being misled by the devil. This is one of the many things I’ve learnt from being an adventist.

  36. To Let go.

    I respect your views and your answers.

    And no offence taken by you telling me i dont know my bible. But This is what I know.

    I already know I am saved by Jesus Christ I know that Salvation is a Gift by god’s grace, and that nothing I can do can save me. That Lawkeeping cannot save me, That keeping the sabath cant save me. That doing good on to others can save me. The only thing that can save me is my faith in Jesus. The difference of me and an adventist is this. Our Fruit. MY fruit is goodworks, I want to do good for when I am in Christ. And to an adventist, Good fruit is keeping the 4commandment of God..The sabath. But just remember, when the Fruit becomes the ROOT of salvation. You have yourself a problem. Because you contradict what the bible says. Good Works is the Fruit of Salvation and not the Root of Salvation. Meanign that Good works comes because it is the Fruit that naturally flows when you want to Please god because you Love him. let us both agree that Keeping the sabath will not save a soul. Only God’s Grace will.

    I understand your beliefs and would agree with you on alot of points. I am totally with you on the 10commandments. But what I am trying to tell you and explain what it means about Love Fullfilling the Law. Jesus Elevates the 10 commandments. We have a new covenant, something far greater to the 10 commandments. Its called the New covenant.

    Now because everyone here, who obviously is an adventist keeps mentioning the 10 commandments, But could you explain what it means in Hebrews 8:13
    -By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear
    and Hebrews 6:
    But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

    As to what I am telling you. Jesus Covenant is superior, Greater and is elevated.

    And also, We know in Hebrews that the “old covenant” is indeed the 10commandments.

    Exodus 34:28 – And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

    Exodus 24:7-8 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people

    So Can you see as to why I do not keep the sabath? Because the sabath and the 10commandments were a covenant to Israel and Israel only. That doesnt meant the Laws in the Covenant are Useless. No far from it. But the Laws are elevated into what Hebrews says, A better covenant.

    Let go, A question. Where in the 10commandmetns does it address Lust? (as jesus said “Now I SAY, that anyone who looks lustfully has commited adultery”. A question, Where in the 10commandments does it address Hatred? (Jesus comparted hatred with murder). Again, Jesus elevated The 10commandments. Yes Gods Moral law still stands, But its far greater now in his new covenant

    Let Go, Another thing you need to undestand. You say i dont know my bible. Yet i know this. IF I love the lord with all my heart genuinly, and I love you as a brother as I love myself. Jesus says I have fullfilled the Law, Jesus also says these are the two most GREATEST. Paul then states that If im doing these two things. I am doing well.

    And Why I bring up Ellen G white again is simply this. Satan. The Author of Confusion. False prophets. The Authors of confusions, his messengers and antichrists. If Quotations of Ellen G white of talking to the dead, (that includes her dead husband). Any adventist such as yourself tell me that you use the Bible as the basis of your beliefs, yet palm of the Ellen G white subject. Most probaly because they are scared of her because when it comes to her teachings you will find all sorts of plagiarism, Talking to the dead (including her dead husband James white) and false doctrines that are not in the bible as the investigative judgment.

    If we are all bible believing christians. Then Colossions 2:16 and Romans 14:5 should be enough Of Telling other christians what days to observe.

    Matthew 7:15
    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.